Peter Tessier: When did the Atl/Jets Rebuild begin? Some thoughts on a twitter discussion about when, or if at all, the Atlanta Thrashers and Winnipeg Jets rebuild began.

We have a very bright future! I can only hope Chevs makes smart signings. I'm still ok if Little were to be moved for a younger asset..... I suspect he will feel that he deserves 4 per year and I just don't see the value that he brings to the table.

Trouba will be a beast

I like what the Jets are doing. Is Kane in your future or do you think he gets moved for pieces that are?

You could easily go back a number of years before the Thrashers were moved to Winnipeg and see a number of issues with the franchise. And it all started with ownership and a lack of will to make it successful. All they wanted was the NBA franchise when it was bought from TimeWarner. The only reason they stayed as long as they did down here, was because of infighting amongst the ownership group and the legal battles that followed.

In the end after having Hossa and Kovy bolt, Winnipeg was left with a struggling franchise that needed a reboot.

Can it really be a rebuild? Was it ever properly "built"?

Trouba will be a beast
- Johannes19

This.

Can it really be a rebuild? Was it ever properly "built"?
- MasWE

It can be whatever you want it too be.

I like what the Jets are doing. Is Kane in your future or do you think he gets moved for pieces that are?
- Pierceme69

Unless he wants out no- it would have to be a mindblowing deal and I just don't see that happening.

Can it really be a rebuild? Was it ever properly "built"?
- MasWE

Good point Adam and that was something I touched on. I think the Atlanta regime tried to rebuild but ran out of time. I doubt they had a comprehensive plan either. It;s why I conclude it is both a rebuild and a reset but starting a different points.

In the case of the Thrashers and Jets there was a point made that perhaps that rebuild began with the acquisition of Ladd and Byfuglien from Atlanta.
- Peter.Tessier

I thought they came from Chicago. I know Byfuglien did anyway.

I'm not sure it's a rebuild, just good drafting. Haven't given up anything and been fighting for a playoff spot till the end of the year.

I thought the Jets should've been more active the last few free agency periods. They just seem like they've been going around in circles forever. Not bad enough for a lottery pick, but not a playoff team. The worst kind of bad.

I appreciate your thoughts on this Pete, but I fully disagree. The ThrasherJets are about 5 years into their rebuild (after drafting Kane and Bogosian in the top-5 back-to-back years) and have nothing to show for it.

Sure, the Thrashers were a gong-show and TNSE acquired a pretty broken team. But what has really happened to this team at the NHL level in the past two seasons? Absolutely nothing. Olli Jokinen and a bunch of waiver-wire pickups. Oh, and while Frolik and Setoguchi have been added, Burmistrov is gone for nothing.

I don't care what the draft picks look like yet. Yes, the prospect camp this summer looks WAY deeper than last years and the cupboard is stocking itself pretty nicely. But are any of these guys outside of Scheifele and Trouba really going to make a difference for the Jets in the next 2-3 years? Maybe Lowry, but that's it.

My issue is that the core players from Atlanta are still here. ALL OF THEM. And other than Byfuglien, every one of the them will have been re-signed by Chevy, including the RFA's if they get to arbitration (which would be a disaster). The core has done nothing as group yet they remain together. That's the definition of insanity. Keeping doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. And how old will they be when the "reinforcements" from the draft are ready to help?

Jim Nill stepped in an transformed his Dallas Stars in pretty much an afternoon. Craig MacTavish has made major moves in Edmonton. And Chevy has sat on his hands. If he isn't careful, the rebuild is going to start again after this season when they're done finishing last in the West.

I appreciate your thoughts on this Pete, but I fully disagree. The ThrasherJets are about 5 years into their rebuild (after drafting Kane and Bogosian in the top-5 back-to-back years) and have nothing to show for it.

Sure, the Thrashers were a gong-show and TNSE acquired a pretty broken team. But what has really happened to this team at the NHL level in the past two seasons? Absolutely nothing. Olli Jokinen and a bunch of waiver-wire pickups. Oh, and while Frolik and Setoguchi have been added, Burmistrov is gone for nothing.

I don't care what the draft picks look like yet. Yes, the prospect camp this summer looks WAY deeper than last years and the cupboard is stocking itself pretty nicely. But are any of these guys outside of Scheifele and Trouba really going to make a difference for the Jets in the next 2-3 years? Maybe Lowry, but that's it.

My issue is that the core players from Atlanta are still here. ALL OF THEM. And other than Byfuglien, every one of the them will have been re-signed by Chevy, including the RFA's if they get to arbitration (which would be a disaster). The core has done nothing as group yet they remain together. That's the definition of insanity. Keeping doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.

Jim Nill stepped in an transformed his Dallas Stars in pretty much an afternoon. Craig MacTavish has made major moves in Edmonton. And Chevy has sat on his hands. If he isn't careful, the rebuild is going to start again after this season when they're done finishing last in the West.
- arby

Nill and MacT made changes. Time will tell if they pan out. The big difference though is that those two GM's actually inherited a few assets. When Chevy took over the cupboard was bare. You can't overhaul a roster if you have nothing to trade. Chevy isn't picking up bodies from the waiver wire because he is bored. He is picking up assets that will hopefully develop into something he can either use or trade. If neither look like hey are going to happen he lets them walk.

Now that we are a couple years into building the team he actually has a limited asset pool available and turned that into Frolik and Gooch.

If you really want to measure Chevy take a look at the roster in Winnipeg and St. John's when the season starts and go back and compare them to two years ago.

Nill and MacT made changes. Time will tell if they pan out. The big difference though is that those two GM's actually inherited a few assets. When Chevy took over the cupboard was bare. You can't overhaul a roster if you have nothing to trade. Chevy isn't picking up bodies from the waiver wire because he is bored. He is picking up assets that will hopefully develop into something he can either use or trade. If neither look like hey are going to happen he lets them walk.

Now that we are a couple years into building the team he actually has a limited asset pool available and turned that into Frolik and Gooch.

If you really want to measure Chevy take a look at the roster in Winnipeg and St. John's when the season starts and go back and compare them to two years ago.
- Muskwa

Nill and MacT didn't just move picks and prospects. They moved parts of their core. Eriksson in DAL and Horcoff in EDM. That's my issue. We had value at the NHL level in this core that could have been parlayed into more assets. Spread the wealth around the lineup.

Instead, we locked up Enstrom and Pavelec long-term to bad contracts, are allowing our best players to (maybe) get to arbitration, and are watching the value of Buff depreciate every day.

Buff could have brought back a boatload of talent at any point of the last few seasons. Now? I'm not so sure.

Nill and MacT didn't just move picks and prospects. They moved parts of their core. Eriksson in DAL and Horcoff in EDM. That's my issue. We had value at the NHL level in this core that could have been parlayed into more assets. Spread the wealth around the lineup.

Instead, we locked up Enstrom and Pavelec long-term to bad contracts, are allowing our best players to (maybe) get to arbitration, and are watching the value of Buff depreciate every day.

Buff could have brought back a boatload of talent at any point of the last few seasons. Now? I'm not so sure.
- arby

I get your point - but Nill didn't trade Eriksson straight up for Seguin. He had to throw in some pretty impressive prospects. Without the prospects to add in he wouldn't have been able to make the trade.

I get your point - but Nill didn't trade Eriksson straight up for Seguin. He had to throw in some pretty impressive prospects. Without the prospects to add in he wouldn't have been able to make the trade.
- Muskwa

Sure. But they also got Peverley out of the deal too. Without him, maybe they need less prospects included.

But there are multiple examples of 2-for-1 moves in recent years that I think would have strengthened the Jets instead of relying on waiver-wire moves to ice a lineup.

Jeff Carter for Jakob Voracek, a 1st and a 3rd
Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson and a 1st
Mike Richards for Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a 2nd

Those are few quick ones off the top of my head, but I know there are more. A move anywhere similar to those would have sent us off an running in a proper direction. Instead, we're a mediocre team with a core that will be aged by the time the drafted reinforcements show up.

Good thing my season ticket agreement expires next summer...

Mcnabb, ennis, vanek , for e kane & a first

Nill and MacT didn't just move picks and prospects. They moved parts of their core. Eriksson in DAL and Horcoff in EDM. That's my issue. We had value at the NHL level in this core that could have been parlayed into more assets. Spread the wealth around the lineup.

Instead, we locked up Enstrom and Pavelec long-term to bad contracts, are allowing our best players to (maybe) get to arbitration, and are watching the value of Buff depreciate every day.
Buff could have brought back a boatload of talent at any point of the last few seasons. Now? I'm not so sure.
- arby

However I give Pavelec a break enstrom in front of him who cant move anyone in his own zone and hainsey on his knees ever shift dont help your goalie out at all.

I thought they came from Chicago. I know Byfuglien did anyway.
- agrothe

DOH!!!

I get your point - but Nill didn't trade Eriksson straight up for Seguin. He had to throw in some pretty impressive prospects. Without the prospects to add in he wouldn't have been able to make the trade.
- Muskwa

To be honest none of the prospects we gave up were very impressive. Morrow probably the only one that can be an impact player full time. I think that trade shows you don't have to give up top prospects to get good players, just have to find the right gm that is willing to deal

Arby, you make building a good team sound easy. We have yet to see if the Dallas, Edmonton changes will result for the better. I'm fine with people not being happy with the way Chevy builds the team, but when you start whining because it's not being done the way you think it should be done and threatening to give up season tickets, it is childish. Edmonton tried a strategy for the last eight years, before they started making changes. Chevy's been at it two years. Give it two or three more years before we decide it's a failure. I also know you blog on another Jets site and I just find you are too impatient. They said it was going to take time. give em time.

Sure. But they also got Peverley out of the deal too. Without him, maybe they need less prospects included.

But there are multiple examples of 2-for-1 moves in recent years that I think would have strengthened the Jets instead of relying on waiver-wire moves to ice a lineup.

Jeff Carter for Jakob Voracek, a 1st and a 3rd
Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson and a 1st
Mike Richards for Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a 2nd

Those are few quick ones off the top of my head, but I know there are more. A move anywhere similar to those would have sent us off an running in a proper direction. Instead, we're a mediocre team with a core that will be aged by the time the drafted reinforcements show up.

Good thing my season ticket agreement expires next summer...
- arby

I call your bluff on the season tickets... I'll gladly take them off your hands. Although I hear you sit with a bunch of goofs. I wonder if that one guy will replace his Burmistrov Jets jersey with an Ak Bars one.

Sure. But they also got Peverley out of the deal too. Without him, maybe they need less prospects included.

But there are multiple examples of 2-for-1 moves in recent years that I think would have strengthened the Jets instead of relying on waiver-wire moves to ice a lineup.

Jeff Carter for Jakob Voracek, a 1st and a 3rd
Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson and a 1st
Mike Richards for Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a 2nd

Those are few quick ones off the top of my head, but I know there are more. A move anywhere similar to those would have sent us off an running in a proper direction. Instead, we're a mediocre team with a core that will be aged by the time the drafted reinforcements show up.

Good thing my season ticket agreement expires next summer...
- arby

The Flyers wanted Kane + for Richards....how would making a deal like that improve our team? It is not like Playstation where you can just add anyone you want. If we move 2 for 1, then who is going to fill in the 3rd and 4th lines? Enough complaints about waiver pickups already, that is the only way to get some depth without giving anything up. Sure it would be great if we won the Cup in year one, but we are getting better and have a nice core of players. Have patience and if you decide to give up your tickets, I am sure you will be making someone's day!! GO JETS!!